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Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat: Why It's So Hard to Think Straight About Animals
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bookshelves: 1audio, animals, 2non-fiction, science
Feb 22, 2014
bookshelves: 1audio, animals, 2non-fiction, science
Read 2 times. Last read February 22, 2014 to February 24, 2014.
Written by a psychologist & anthrozoologist, Herzog seems to hold to the middle of the road in most debates & gives a good account of both sides so far as I can tell. There's a lot more to how we think about animals than I would have thought & he comes at the issue from several different angles. He uses multiple studies & comparisons of their findings when he can. It's amazing how often so much diatribe is based on single studies & faulty science, though.
(Update: Here's a good interview with Herzog that covers some of what is in the book & gives a great idea as to his style:
http://blogs.britannica.com/2010/11/a... )
I'm listening to this as an audio book. While it is very well read, I think a hard copy would be a better format or very nice to have as a backup. (I bought it in hardback, read, & gave it a different review (still 5 stars, but listing all the chapters & such) here:
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...)
There are times I've wanted to go back & go over some parts again as they are rather long & complex. The Trolley Problem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_...
was one of these cases since he went into studies with 5 variants in some detail. In short, a trolley will kill 5 people unless you switch it to kill one person. Everything being equal, most people will move the switch, but the shrinks play around with who the people are.
Other areas could bear re-reading such as his discussion Bell curve comparisons, single cause fallacy, & other topics that are applicable to many situations outside the ones he addresses here. It would also be interesting to have better access to some of the facts such as we give 3 billion dollars to animal rescue, but spend over 10 times that eating beef - I think. It was a pretty incredible amount & makes his point that we're not particularly rational on the subject. I was a bit disappointed that he didn't make more of a point about the "out of sight, out of mind" factor specifically, though. Not just ignorance, but willful ignorance, are both huge factors, IMO.
While morality & culture are often a topic in the treatment of animals, I found the comparison of cock fighting & broiler chickens fascinating. Our ingrained hot buttons are incredibly weird. And then he gets into culture & eating various meats. Whether you're a vegetarian or meat eater, animal rightist or animal user, Herzog brings up a lot of points to think about & backs them up with the best facts he can bring to bear. In some cases, that isn't much & he admits it.
He spends a lot of time discussing dogs. Early on in the book, he gets into them & again later on. Although some of the information was similar, he's making different points in both cases & they're perfect subjects, so it never seemed redundant.
The last part of the book is almost exclusively on the philosophy of animal rights, vegetarianism, & other of the more extreme ideals. He shows where some have led & makes some great points on the logic of extremism. He also interjects the emotional factors & winds up admitting that we live in a pretty messy world. No great revelations there, but the trip was well worth it.
I highly recommend this to anyone interested in animals of any sort. This book is not designed to make an argument for or against how you treat animals, but just to make you think about how people do & why.
(Update: Here's a good interview with Herzog that covers some of what is in the book & gives a great idea as to his style:
http://blogs.britannica.com/2010/11/a... )
I'm listening to this as an audio book. While it is very well read, I think a hard copy would be a better format or very nice to have as a backup. (I bought it in hardback, read, & gave it a different review (still 5 stars, but listing all the chapters & such) here:
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...)
There are times I've wanted to go back & go over some parts again as they are rather long & complex. The Trolley Problem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_...
was one of these cases since he went into studies with 5 variants in some detail. In short, a trolley will kill 5 people unless you switch it to kill one person. Everything being equal, most people will move the switch, but the shrinks play around with who the people are.
Other areas could bear re-reading such as his discussion Bell curve comparisons, single cause fallacy, & other topics that are applicable to many situations outside the ones he addresses here. It would also be interesting to have better access to some of the facts such as we give 3 billion dollars to animal rescue, but spend over 10 times that eating beef - I think. It was a pretty incredible amount & makes his point that we're not particularly rational on the subject. I was a bit disappointed that he didn't make more of a point about the "out of sight, out of mind" factor specifically, though. Not just ignorance, but willful ignorance, are both huge factors, IMO.
While morality & culture are often a topic in the treatment of animals, I found the comparison of cock fighting & broiler chickens fascinating. Our ingrained hot buttons are incredibly weird. And then he gets into culture & eating various meats. Whether you're a vegetarian or meat eater, animal rightist or animal user, Herzog brings up a lot of points to think about & backs them up with the best facts he can bring to bear. In some cases, that isn't much & he admits it.
He spends a lot of time discussing dogs. Early on in the book, he gets into them & again later on. Although some of the information was similar, he's making different points in both cases & they're perfect subjects, so it never seemed redundant.
The last part of the book is almost exclusively on the philosophy of animal rights, vegetarianism, & other of the more extreme ideals. He shows where some have led & makes some great points on the logic of extremism. He also interjects the emotional factors & winds up admitting that we live in a pretty messy world. No great revelations there, but the trip was well worth it.
I highly recommend this to anyone interested in animals of any sort. This book is not designed to make an argument for or against how you treat animals, but just to make you think about how people do & why.
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Reading Progress
February 22, 2014
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Started Reading
February 22, 2014
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February 22, 2014
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1audio
February 22, 2014
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animals
February 22, 2014
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2non-fiction
February 24, 2014
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Finished Reading
March 7, 2014
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Started Reading
(Hardcover Edition)
March 9, 2014
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(Hardcover Edition)
March 9, 2014
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1paper
(Hardcover Edition)
March 9, 2014
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animals
(Hardcover Edition)
March 9, 2014
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2non-fiction
(Hardcover Edition)
March 12, 2014
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Finished Reading
(Hardcover Edition)
September 18, 2016
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science
(Hardcover Edition)
September 18, 2016
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science
December 5, 2017
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favorites
(Hardcover Edition)
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Feb 24, 2014 04:53PM
Jim, you make good points about why anyone who loves animals, eats animals and cares about animals should read about them. This book seems to be about just that. Thanks for the recommendatio. Sounds like a worthy read.
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I've had this on my TBR for a while and REALLY want to read it (been distracted by other books I also REALLY want to read :/). It sounds excellent, absolutely fascinating--and I love the cover too!
ETA: The "Trolley Problem" seems to be a favorite of non-fiction authors of books like this; this is now the third time I've seen it mentioned. It's a fascinating dilemma for sure.
ETA: The "Trolley Problem" seems to be a favorite of non-fiction authors of books like this; this is now the third time I've seen it mentioned. It's a fascinating dilemma for sure.
Hi Jim:
I'm listening to an audio and it may be my last. I just feel as though I'm missing something.
Great review with some questions left to ponder so thanks for that! TBR, for sure.
I'm listening to an audio and it may be my last. I just feel as though I'm missing something.
Great review with some questions left to ponder so thanks for that! TBR, for sure.
Your review, Jim was excellent. Who wouldn't be interested in reading the book, after reading your explantion of what went into it.
Audio books aren't for everyone, Cathy. It's about all the reading I seem to get done lately, unfortunately. I like regular books but just haven't had the time to sit & read. Most work pretty well for me, though. I can hit the pause button easily, too.
Thanks, Nina!
Thanks, Nina!