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Thinking, Fast and Slow
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I kind of want to cut this book in half, praise the first part, and stick the second part in some corner to gather dust. Not that the second part is bad, mind you; the entire book is well-written and obviously the product of someone who knows their field. There’s just a lot of it. Thinking, Fast and Slow is kind of like a guest who shows up to your party and then dazzles everyone with an impromptu, 15-minute oration on the geopolitical situation in South Ossetia; and, everyone applauds and turns to go back to their own conversations, only for the guest to launch into another story about the time they parachuted into the Balkans to break up a nascent civil war, a story which is followed quickly by a similar tale of a visit to Southeast Asia…. Well, I think you catch my drift. Daniel Kahneman spins an interesting tale of human psychology and the way our brains interpret and act on data. But the book overstays its welcome by a few hundred pages.
Kahneman’s thesis breaks our decision-making systems into two pieces, System 1 and System 2, which are the respective “fast” and “slow” of the title. System 1 provides intuitive judgements based on stimulus we might not even be conscious of receiving; it’s the snap signals that we might not even know we are acting upon. System 2 is the more contemplative, cognitively taxing counterpart that we engage for serious mental exertion. Though often oppositional in the types of decisions they produce, Kahneman is keen to emphasize that it’s not about System 1 versus System 2. Instead, he’s out to educate us about how the interplay between these systems causes us to make decisions that aren’t always rational or sensible given the statistics and evidence at hand.
Kahneman takes us through an exhaustive tour of biases and fallacies people are prone to making. He talks about the halo effect, affection bias, confirmation bias, and even regression to the mean. As a mathematician, I liked his angle on probability and statistics; as a logician, I appreciated his brief segues into the logical aspects of our contradictory decision-making processes. Lest I give the impression Kahneman gets too technical, however, I should emphasize that, despite its length, Thinking, Fast and Slow remains aggressively accessible. There are a few points where, if you don’t have a basic grasp of probability (and if Kahneman demonstrates anything, it’s that most people don’t), then you might feel talked over (or maybe it’s those less-than-infrequent, casual mentions of “and later I won a Nobel Prize”). But this book isn’t so much about science as it is about people.
There are two other things I really appreciated about this book, both of which are related to psychology. I’m a fairly easygoing person, and I don’t always like to make waves, but sometimes I like to make some trouble and argue with some of my friends about whether psychology is a science. The problem for psychology is that it’s actually a rather broad term for a series of overlapping fields of investigation into human behaviour. On one end of this continuum, you have Freud and Jung and the various psychoanalysts who, let’s face it, are one step up from astrologers and palm-readers. On the other end, you have the cutting-edge cognitive psychology informed by the neuroscience of MRIs, split-brain studies, and rat research. So claiming that psychology is or isn’t a science is a little simplistic, and I’m willing to grant that there are areas within psychology that are science. For what it’s worth, Kahneman went a long way to reinforcing this: it’s clear he and his collaborators have done decades of extensive research. (Now, yes, it’s social science, but I won’t get into that particular snobbery today.)
The other thing I liked about Thinking, Fast and Slow is its failure to mention evolutionary psychology. Once in a while, Kahneman alludes to System 1’s behaviour being the result of evolutionary adaptation—and that’s fine, because it is true, almost tautologically so. But he never quite delves into speculation about why such behaviour evolved, and I appreciate this. There’s a difference between identifying something as an adaptation and determining why it’s an adaptation, and I’m not a fan of evolutionary psychologists’ attempts to reduce everything to the trauma of trading trees for bipedalism … I’m willing to admit I have an ape brain, but culture must count for something, hmm?
I suppose it’s also worth mentioning that this book reaffirms my supercilious disregard for economics. According to Kahneman, stock brokers and investors have no idea what they are doing—and some of them know this, but most of them don’t. Economists are, for the most part, highly-trained, but they seem bent upon sustaining this theoretical fantasy land in which humans are rational creatures. Aristotle aside, the data seem to say it isn’t so. I occasionally try my hand at reading books about the economy, just so I can say I did, but they usually end up going over my head. I’m a mathematician and I don’t get numbers—but at least I’m not the only one.
So Thinking, Fast and Slow is genuinely interesting. I learned a lot from it. I would rate it higher, but I was starting to flag as I approached the finish line. Truth be told, I skipped the two articles Kahneman includes at the end that were the original publications about the theories he explains in the book. I’m sure they are fascinating for someone with more stamina, but at that point I just wanted to be done. That’s never good: one of the responsibilities of a non-fiction author is to know how to pace a book and keep its length appropriate. Too short and the book is unsatisfying—too long, and maybe it’s more so. And I think this flaw is entirely avoidable; it’s a result of Kahneman’s tendency to reiterate, to circle back around to the same discussions over and over again. He spends an entire chapter on prospect theory, then a few chapters later he’s telling us about its genesis all over again, just from a slightly different angle. Like that party guest, Kahneman is full of interesting stories, but after telling one after another for such a long period of time, it starts sounding like white noise. And he ate all those little cocktail snacks too.
I inevitably ended up comparing Thinking, Fast and Slow to How We Decide , a much slimmer volume along much the same lines as this one. Whereas Lehrer’s focus is on the neurology behind decision-making, Kahneman is more interested in the psychology. Both books boil down to: we suck at automatic decision-making when statistics are involved; therefore, we behave less rationally than we believe we do. Lehrer explains why things go wrong, and Kahneman categorizes all the different way things go wrong. In many ways the books are complementary, and if this is an area of interest for you, I’ll recommend them both. For the casual reader, however, Thinking, Fast and Slow is a rather dense meal. By all means, give it a try, but take it slow.
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Kahneman’s thesis breaks our decision-making systems into two pieces, System 1 and System 2, which are the respective “fast” and “slow” of the title. System 1 provides intuitive judgements based on stimulus we might not even be conscious of receiving; it’s the snap signals that we might not even know we are acting upon. System 2 is the more contemplative, cognitively taxing counterpart that we engage for serious mental exertion. Though often oppositional in the types of decisions they produce, Kahneman is keen to emphasize that it’s not about System 1 versus System 2. Instead, he’s out to educate us about how the interplay between these systems causes us to make decisions that aren’t always rational or sensible given the statistics and evidence at hand.
Kahneman takes us through an exhaustive tour of biases and fallacies people are prone to making. He talks about the halo effect, affection bias, confirmation bias, and even regression to the mean. As a mathematician, I liked his angle on probability and statistics; as a logician, I appreciated his brief segues into the logical aspects of our contradictory decision-making processes. Lest I give the impression Kahneman gets too technical, however, I should emphasize that, despite its length, Thinking, Fast and Slow remains aggressively accessible. There are a few points where, if you don’t have a basic grasp of probability (and if Kahneman demonstrates anything, it’s that most people don’t), then you might feel talked over (or maybe it’s those less-than-infrequent, casual mentions of “and later I won a Nobel Prize”). But this book isn’t so much about science as it is about people.
There are two other things I really appreciated about this book, both of which are related to psychology. I’m a fairly easygoing person, and I don’t always like to make waves, but sometimes I like to make some trouble and argue with some of my friends about whether psychology is a science. The problem for psychology is that it’s actually a rather broad term for a series of overlapping fields of investigation into human behaviour. On one end of this continuum, you have Freud and Jung and the various psychoanalysts who, let’s face it, are one step up from astrologers and palm-readers. On the other end, you have the cutting-edge cognitive psychology informed by the neuroscience of MRIs, split-brain studies, and rat research. So claiming that psychology is or isn’t a science is a little simplistic, and I’m willing to grant that there are areas within psychology that are science. For what it’s worth, Kahneman went a long way to reinforcing this: it’s clear he and his collaborators have done decades of extensive research. (Now, yes, it’s social science, but I won’t get into that particular snobbery today.)
The other thing I liked about Thinking, Fast and Slow is its failure to mention evolutionary psychology. Once in a while, Kahneman alludes to System 1’s behaviour being the result of evolutionary adaptation—and that’s fine, because it is true, almost tautologically so. But he never quite delves into speculation about why such behaviour evolved, and I appreciate this. There’s a difference between identifying something as an adaptation and determining why it’s an adaptation, and I’m not a fan of evolutionary psychologists’ attempts to reduce everything to the trauma of trading trees for bipedalism … I’m willing to admit I have an ape brain, but culture must count for something, hmm?
I suppose it’s also worth mentioning that this book reaffirms my supercilious disregard for economics. According to Kahneman, stock brokers and investors have no idea what they are doing—and some of them know this, but most of them don’t. Economists are, for the most part, highly-trained, but they seem bent upon sustaining this theoretical fantasy land in which humans are rational creatures. Aristotle aside, the data seem to say it isn’t so. I occasionally try my hand at reading books about the economy, just so I can say I did, but they usually end up going over my head. I’m a mathematician and I don’t get numbers—but at least I’m not the only one.
So Thinking, Fast and Slow is genuinely interesting. I learned a lot from it. I would rate it higher, but I was starting to flag as I approached the finish line. Truth be told, I skipped the two articles Kahneman includes at the end that were the original publications about the theories he explains in the book. I’m sure they are fascinating for someone with more stamina, but at that point I just wanted to be done. That’s never good: one of the responsibilities of a non-fiction author is to know how to pace a book and keep its length appropriate. Too short and the book is unsatisfying—too long, and maybe it’s more so. And I think this flaw is entirely avoidable; it’s a result of Kahneman’s tendency to reiterate, to circle back around to the same discussions over and over again. He spends an entire chapter on prospect theory, then a few chapters later he’s telling us about its genesis all over again, just from a slightly different angle. Like that party guest, Kahneman is full of interesting stories, but after telling one after another for such a long period of time, it starts sounding like white noise. And he ate all those little cocktail snacks too.
I inevitably ended up comparing Thinking, Fast and Slow to How We Decide , a much slimmer volume along much the same lines as this one. Whereas Lehrer’s focus is on the neurology behind decision-making, Kahneman is more interested in the psychology. Both books boil down to: we suck at automatic decision-making when statistics are involved; therefore, we behave less rationally than we believe we do. Lehrer explains why things go wrong, and Kahneman categorizes all the different way things go wrong. In many ways the books are complementary, and if this is an area of interest for you, I’ll recommend them both. For the casual reader, however, Thinking, Fast and Slow is a rather dense meal. By all means, give it a try, but take it slow.
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You gave the best review of this book. It's great but goes on way too long and is at times redundant. I really struggled to finish this book.
You gave the best review of this book. It's great but goes on way too long and is at times redundant. I really struggled to finish this book.
Awesome review! I am about three quarters of the way through this book and was about to put it down for good, having started a good four months ago. Your review sums up my feelings about it perfectly, and has encouraged me to keep going, even if it is just a bit at a time.
Yes! Loved the first half of it, so interesting. But I've spend months trying to force myself to finish it.. Very repetitive and too information heavy at times.
I agree with this review. I finally gave up on finishing the book because it was so dense. Since I'm a fairly new user, I'm not sure how to indicated I abandoned a book instead of reading it. I'll look for Lehrer's book.
June wrote: "I agree with this review. I finally gave up on finishing the book because it was so dense. Since I'm a fairly new user, I'm not sure how to indicated I abandoned a book instead of reading it. I'll ..."
Unfortunately, How We Decide got pulled because it was discovered that Lehrer plagiarized a great deal of the work.
Unfortunately, How We Decide got pulled because it was discovered that Lehrer plagiarized a great deal of the work.
A great review - I especially loved your first paragraph, as it exactly captures, in an amusing way, how I felt about the book.
Thank you for this very good review.
I still want to read the book, but I feel prepared to take it slow...
I still want to read the book, but I feel prepared to take it slow...
Exactly how I felt with the book. I admire your stamina, I gave up halfway. I started it because of the high rating in goodreads and was looking for actionables because I want to improve my thinking. But man was it dense and lots of stories. Might be interesting for someone into psychology but I just found it torture to go through.
This. All of this. I’ve read books that reference this book in grad school and I read The Undoing Project and I think that’s the only way I made it to the end. Anytime he went off in the weeds I recalled the basics of his argument from the other books and it helped me refocus.
I expected the book to mention differences between extroverts and introverts - how introverts tend to fall into the other trap: to overthink everything and get stuck in some kind of "analysis paralysis", when they actually should just follow their instincts and react fast. However, the book missed this aspect entirely, which was a bit disappointing.
Māris wrote: "I expected the book to mention differences between extroverts and introverts - how introverts tend to fall into the other trap: to overthink everything and get stuck in some kind of "analysis paral..."
Are you aware of any books that discuss research of introversion/extroversion from a neuroscience perspective?
Are you aware of any books that discuss research of introversion/extroversion from a neuroscience perspective?
Actually yes, "Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking" by Susan Cain https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8... has some chapters related to neuroscience.
However, I'm still looking for something that delves even deeper; for example as this article: https://introvertdear.com/news/introv... . I'm still looking for a book that expands on that and has more objective, verified information, because many articles on the Internet can often be hasty in their conclusions, or based on theories and not empirical research.
However, I'm still looking for something that delves even deeper; for example as this article: https://introvertdear.com/news/introv... . I'm still looking for a book that expands on that and has more objective, verified information, because many articles on the Internet can often be hasty in their conclusions, or based on theories and not empirical research.
Ah, ok! I've got Quiet on my to-read list but wasn't sure how deep it goes into the cognitive science portion.
As with most things related to neuroscience, I suspect this is very difficult to research because you first have to pin down very specific understandings of introvert and extrovert and then design experiments that can reliably demonstrate difference.
Thanks for the links and comments!
As with most things related to neuroscience, I suspect this is very difficult to research because you first have to pin down very specific understandings of introvert and extrovert and then design experiments that can reliably demonstrate difference.
Thanks for the links and comments!
I like your take on the idea of whether psychology is a science. My minor is in psych so I get what you're saying and I found it a bit frustrating when in most of my lectures I just wanted the cold hard facts, but I also feel like denying the nuanced nature of human behavior and the complex nature of how we make decisions can't all be accounted for with the hard sciences exclusively. Sometimes I feel like the theories in psychology are complex because the people we study in psychology are complicated and complex, and while I understand the criticism surrounding what's considered to be a "softer" science, I think once we dig into the brain and start to see on a deeper level how the wiring of the human brain works on a biological level that we're going to come full circle and find that a lot of these more nuanced and abstract ideas about social science and the behavior of others aren't as off the wall as we think. Sorry, went on a tangent. I loved this review. I started reading this book and never finished but I think I'm going to move it up the list. Psychology and self help books usually tell me a lot I already knew, but it seems like there might be some content in here I would be interested in. Thanks for the review! I appreciate the hard honesty.
Victoria wrote: “…but I also feel like denying the nuanced nature of human behavior and the complex nature of how we make decisions can't all be accounted for with the hard sciences exclusively.”
Haha, well now we get into philosophy of science and ideas like reductivism! I was definitely a reductivist (and I guess I still am), but we are a long way from understanding the brain well enough to use neuroscience as a reliable proxy for modelling behaviour in most useful cases. In many ways I feel like neuroscience is one of the last huge mysteries of science!
Haha, well now we get into philosophy of science and ideas like reductivism! I was definitely a reductivist (and I guess I still am), but we are a long way from understanding the brain well enough to use neuroscience as a reliable proxy for modelling behaviour in most useful cases. In many ways I feel like neuroscience is one of the last huge mysteries of science!
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After finally started reading it seemed to me that it has some chewing gum feeling that drags out reading and makes it difficult to stay focused. Maybe I read it in two parts after some pause between part 1 and 2.
After finally started reading it seemed to me that it has some chewing gum feeling that drags out reading and makes it difficult to stay focused. Maybe I read it in two parts after some pause between part 1 and 2.
I enjoyed reading your review because I no longer feel alone in my assessment of this book. It seems to me that a lot of current research about human action and about society are either attempting to prove the obvious, or trying to show that yes, the humanities are like a physical science. Economics is more history than a science, the "rational actor" is useful approximation in macro-economics because real actors cannot be adequately described. I have been trying to find where the idea of rational actor came from, I suspect it is from the realm of "micro-economics."
Prospect theory is one of the more important subjects & it sounds like you must've been overwhelmed by the time you reached that. Also, the 2 articles are in a very different writing style - I found that important. I think reading this book is stressful, because we eventually encounter some subject in it that is threatening to how we think we think or how we see ourselves. It took me quite a while to finish.